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6 years 3 months ago #8505 by MSGINC89
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Not sure if I"m too late to add my thoughts for modules, but I think adding an Applique option, whether it is an addition to the Embroidery module or makes up it's own, would be really unique and beneficial (at least to me!!)

We are starting a Greek division of our company and sewn on letters are HUGE in that market. It also is gaining popularity in dance companies and high school activities. Stahl's videos on Glitter Applique are awesome:


I imagine this working by allowing a letter or shape to be selected and filled with a solid color or pattern, then the outline color would be chosen from the embroidery thread pallets - creating both cut and sew files for production. For interior colors, there should be either pallets available or be able to set colors like in the product wizard, and the option to have the color slider (for sublimatable twill).

Kristine

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6 years 3 months ago - 6 years 3 months ago #8506 by sajego
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brenden wrote: QUESTION: Do you see a need to modify the engraving embellishing color at a decoration or color level? i.e. one part is black while another comes through as gold, or the red product engraves white while the black engraves gold?


Yes, at color level. The way I do it now is to add text to the actual product image describing the appearance, so each color gets its own description.

giftswp wrote: ...for viewing the simulation would be OK, but for production if there are bitmaps in the design I would need the original file intact for me to process it accordingly depending in the type of product, if the whole design file is vector then there won't be a problem since the color could be change very easy in Coreldraw (we work with color mapping to tell the laser how fast and how much power to use, etc. for any particular material to be engraved)


Yes, this exactly. We use a separate package to convert bitmaps to 1-bit and it has settings specific to each laser, the material, and the moon phase. So having this apply for simulation in the designer is good, but still receiving the production files as we do now would probably be the best solution.

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6 years 3 months ago #8507 by giftswp
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Kristine,

that looks nice, it makes me want to buy an embroidery machine just for that, with that material is like cheating by not using a vinyl cutter or a laser to cut the material, it looks very simple to do and the combination looks great.

Your needed features sound very similar as the ones that I asked for vinyl cutting, been one key feature... the Pattern Fill, perhaps you could use the Mix Process feature by mixing Vinyl with Embroidery? when the vinyl module is available of course and if they actually implement the Pattern Fill to it.

MSGINC89 wrote: Not sure if I"m too late to add my thoughts for modules, but I think adding an Applique option, whether it is an addition to the Embroidery module or makes up it's own, would be really unique and beneficial (at least to me!!)

We are starting a Greek division of our company and sewn on letters are HUGE in that market. It also is gaining popularity in dance companies and high school activities. Stahl's videos on Glitter Applique are awesome:



I imagine this working by allowing a letter or shape to be selected and filled with a solid color or pattern, then the outline color would be chosen from the embroidery thread pallets - creating both cut and sew files for production. For interior colors, there should be either pallets available or be able to set colors like in the product wizard, and the option to have the color slider (for sublimatable twill).


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6 years 3 months ago #8508 by giftswp
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sajego wrote:

brenden wrote: QUESTION: Do you see a need to modify the engraving embellishing color at a decoration or color level? i.e. one part is black while another comes through as gold, or the red product engraves white while the black engraves gold?


Yes, at color level. The way I do it now is to add text to the actual product image describing the appearance, so each color gets its own description.

giftswp wrote: ...for viewing the simulation would be OK, but for production if there are bitmaps in the design I would need the original file intact for me to process it accordingly depending in the type of product, if the whole design file is vector then there won't be a problem since the color could be change very easy in Coreldraw (we work with color mapping to tell the laser how fast and how much power to use, etc. for any particular material to be engraved)


Yes, this exactly. We use a separate package to convert bitmaps to 1-bit and it has settings specific to each laser, the material, and the moon phase. So having this apply for simulation in the designer is good, but still receiving the production files as we do now would probably be the best solution.


Sara,

I see that you edit your post agreeing with me in an important fact for Laser Engraving, you had me worry for a moment since you didn't comment on this at first. :P

You don't do color filling?

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6 years 3 months ago #8509 by sajego
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I just replied to Brenden before reading yours :-p

No color filling unless I have to. It's a good option to have.

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6 years 3 months ago - 6 years 3 months ago #8510 by giftswp
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sajego wrote: I just replied to Brenden before reading yours :-p

No color filling unless I have to. It's a good option to have.


I do some color filling most in gold and silver, specially to wood boxes and wood plaques.

Here is one box that it was done for a priest, I do many of this for Anniversaries and weddings too.



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6 years 2 months ago #8524 by giftswp
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Firstly, would you see a need to create different processes for each engraving method? i.e. laser vs. impact machine engraving?


To expand into this, I don't think it would be necessary a process for each method.

I do impact engraving (Metaza) and also Drag/Rotary Engraving (Vision MaxPro), for Impact engraving you use graphics in raster mode and the image process for production is similar to the Laser, the simulation would be white, always, as for the drag engraving, is more complicated since it uses special fonts for a single line engraving, and then there are others with 2 and 3 lines that I don't think Deco would be able to display them, although True Type can be used engraving only the outlines, some like them some not, I was thinking on let customers chose a regular font that we would be able to assigned and make it a default in the case of specialized font choice, other wise we could assign a few .ttf fonts that would look good from Deco's font library (This is the reason of my Idea of "Assigned Specific Fonts at a product level) and make visual samples of some specialized fonts available so the customer can make a selection of the font they liked.

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6 years 2 months ago #8526 by texpri
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Sorry, but i don't get it.
Im not familiar with layered materials to engrave but im looking forward to have this feature available for more than 1 C Wood Box engraving.

In a case of a Denim Fabrik it needs up to 8 Levels to engrave.

Imagine you have a logo with 4, 6 or 8 colors and change this into a grey scale image. every level of the grey scale will be a power range of the
engraver at least. for instance 20%, 45 %, 60 % 100%.
I think we need a color pallet and then we can setup the laser driver with power settings to the matching colors.

Any suggestion?

Andreas

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6 years 2 months ago #8530 by giftswp
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texpri wrote: Sorry, but i don't get it.
Im not familiar with layered materials to engrave but im looking forward to have this feature available for more than 1 C Wood Box engraving.

In a case of a Denim Fabrik it needs up to 8 Levels to engrave.

Imagine you have a logo with 4, 6 or 8 colors and change this into a grey scale image. every level of the grey scale will be a power range of the
engraver at least. for instance 20%, 45 %, 60 % 100%.
I think we need a color pallet and then we can setup the laser driver with power settings to the matching colors.

Any suggestion?


The wood Box, is just for showing what I meant when talking about color filling, I don't think we have talk about layered materials here.

The main talk here is about simulating as close as possible the end result of the engraving, for the reason that customers don't know the technical aspects of this process and they may get confused seeing a full color image in something that will look totally different in the finish product, so we are suggesting colors that visually will look close to what it would look like when is engraved, but to keep the original graphic files as originally upload it from the customer, so you can then process the image accordingly and do it like you always do whatever you're doing.

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6 years 2 months ago #8532 by texpri
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ahh got it;) thx ruben

so in my case for garment engraving i would prefer deco makes a change of the uploaded pixel formats like images or logos into grey scale bitmap, best as half transparent grey scale to give the customer an idea of the look of the engraving on the Material surface of the template.

for vector formats i would like to have a color table from where customers can choose. this also means an upload limitation for maximum colors and again the converting of the uploaded vector file into the colors of my color table, in my case half transparent grey tones.

Andreas

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6 years 2 months ago - 6 years 2 months ago #8533 by giftswp
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texpri wrote: ahh got it;) thx ruben

so in my case for garment engraving i would prefer deco makes a change of the uploaded pixel formats like images or logos into grey scale bitmap, best as half transparent grey scale to give the customer an idea of the look of the engraving on the Material surface of the template.

for vector formats i would like to have a color table from where customers can choose. this also means an upload limitation for maximum colors and again the converting of the uploaded vector file into the colors of my color table, in my case half transparent grey tones.



You're asking basically what we already have, although you bring one important detail that it did escaped me, "TRANSPARENCY or OPACITY", basically the same thing, but I'll like to refer to it as opacity, yes we need an opacity slider so we can control the density look of the engraving depending in the material, this will help a lot for a better look by blending it with the engraved material, good one texpri, this is why is important the participation of all.

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6 years 2 months ago - 6 years 2 months ago #8539 by brenden
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Production files

OK on the topic of production files. What format, style and color do you need the production file in? i.e. is it vector, all black?

What is a person uploads a photo - how is that presented as a production file? All black?

In my example it shows dark brown in the designer to simulate what it would look like on the product, but obviously you don't want the production file to be brown - or do you? :)

So your thoughts on the production file for:

- Vinyl
- Laser engraving

Feel free to attach sample files as well :)

Cheers.
Brenden

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Wilcom - Sydney, Australia

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6 years 2 months ago #8540 by brenden
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ENGRAVING: Decoration simulation by color

Based on the feedback of allowing a decoration color by color, here is a concept:





Does this look correct?

Cheers,

Senior Product Manager
Wilcom - Sydney, Australia

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6 years 2 months ago - 6 years 2 months ago #8542 by texpri
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yes Brenden,
this concept would work with color mapping of the laser driver.

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6 years 2 months ago #8544 by brenden
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texpri wrote:
yes Brenden,
this concept would work with color mapping of the laser driver.


Hi texpri,

Keep in mind what I was showing above was the DISPLAY color on the front end. In otherwords, what a customer sees when decorating. i.e. the brunt wood color or the gold color after the top layer is removed from the etching / engraving.

From what I can see in your attached image (and thanks for sharing it!!!) this is to determine production colors. i.e. depth of laser, burn etc. Correct?

So would you then suggest a second column that lets you select the color of the design in the production file for each color product? Then you can control the depth (power, speed, etc). i.e.





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Brenden

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